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New content on the Szondi Ego/Self Vector is actively being prepared off line, look for it soon.  Thanks, Please come back.
The Next Szondi Vector to be explored being prepared off line is the Szondian Ego/Self Vector, which will suffer a good deal of modernization, from a new generation of Szondi Test Experimenters. Dr. Szondi called his test method 'experimental' and that the test results of thousands of profile samples and matching known clinical facts drove the various empirical attributions offered. While the making of any claim of being an exact science is difficult to support, the practical usefulness of this approach should be obvious to all whose interests involve the understanding of human nature and what the hidden aspects of it may be  that lie behind personality and certain behaviors. One needs to consider could it be correct, that everyone is as an unique mixture of eight lines of inheritance, that are also psychiatric conditions when existing in an exaggerated amount?

Follow the newest content down to end and then open  "pages" top right where more content is stored in the form of 'pages'. You need to check pages as they may be more what you are looking for than posts.
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New---
 July 15, 2012 New page on introduction to Dr. Szondi's Conception of the Ego as being represented as the articulation between Catatonia and Paranoia, (the two thought disoders unique to mankind), collectively coded, in the SZ grid as  the Schizophrenic Inheritance (Sch).

Saturday, June 16, 2012

The 48 SZ Reagent Photos. in six compartments, each with the facial photos of the 8 psychiatric disorder patients, that Hungarian Professor and Psychiatrist, Dr. Leopold (Lipot) Szondi argued, were the universal inheritance of every human. Here in their-- faded blue box, "The Szondi Test" Copyright/Hans Huber/Bern-Swiss. Still in Production.

Further these selected reagent quality photos, are liked. disliked or avoided by people taking the test, very much as a projection of the psychiatric implulse mix unique to that person's personality, as it exists at the time of the test sample.
While it is obvious  Dr Szondi and his students took this serioualy, he nevertheless, referred to this mode of research as "The Experimental Diagnostics of Vicissitudes."
Each SZ Reagent photo has a code on the the back. that the test administrator has to transcible into a ingenious grid, where a subject's choices form a "Psychogram", that is then useful for interpretation by counselors, therapists and psychometrists.





  • The Szondi Profile Grid
  • Four SZ Vector or Heredity Spheres
  • Each Psychiatric Disorder is a "SZ FACTOR"
  • Each SZ Vector is built of  2 intimately related  gene antagonists.
  • The are order accross the grid on a what works best in the experimental work.
    • .{S}=Sexual/Gender= [h] erotic overcharged homosexuals [s] sadistic males.
    • {P}=Paroxymal/Emotional=[e](stance and inclinations from); [e] Epileptic  and [hy]  Hysteric inheritance.
    • {Sch} Stance and inclinations from Inheritance Catatonic/Introjective [k] and paranoid projective stance and inclinations [p].
    • {C} Contact/Cyclic/Bipolar; manic [m] and depressive their stance's and inclinations.


Monday, May 28, 2012

Introduction to the Ego/Self Vector, Szondi Test Modernized

Introduction to the Ego/Self Vector, Szondi Test Modernized




Introduction to Leopold Szondi's Unique Exposition of the Ego and it's functions. as a theory derived from the projections of various subjects taken across a varied social and clinical samples.  The "EGO THEORY" of the analysis of vicissitudes ('Vicissitudes' being Dr Szondi's term for his system of understanding the human drives he attributed to all humans. This theory was based upon a number of conceits derived from several decades of research using first, genealogical studies and later, the Szondi Test he invented. The end result of this mode study makes for a different view of the Ego, or Self, than today's, Self Psychologists accept, common usage or as defined by Sigmund Freud, as his well known, Tripartite" concept or Ego, Id and Super-ego. Szondi's view is based on the articulation of what he believed was the neuro-inheritance formed relationship existing between a person's Schizophrene inheritance, which was built from two functional oppositions and is age, hormonal and circumstance modifiable. He saw the pairing of Catatonia= [k] and Paranoia = [p], as being the Ego's genetic based origins. While today one can make many arguments against accepting or that premise, it is difficult to disprove in total. Also the mapping of the human Genome has renewed interest in this concept. Ultimately it is, as Szondi said himself about his larger system "..don't reject my theories until you see for yourself, how well they work."  His theory of ancestor back derived systems of drives, impulses, strivings, and needs is very speculative and interesting but to use the Szondi Test as a practical interment for counseling and therapy, with an intention to expose a person's dynamics and have suable clues to work from, one only needs to use, a practical logic based on reconciling lenitive the test findings with observations or other known facts. This is also the situation with the use of some other projective tests and various inventories in use to day that are aimed at being useful in aiding the counselor/therapist in his work.  Experience show that each therapist/counselor may have to rework some characterization of his findings based on each different client types. The old saying that one size does not fit all-- may ring true at times.






Next: The Sixteen Ego Settings as filtered out by The Szondi Test.

Sunday, May 6, 2012

Szondi Test "Uni-tendencies" as tool to study personality by exaggerated examples.

 Szondi Test "Uni-tendencies" as tool to study personality by exaggerated  examples.\\


A uni-tendency is repsented, as an avoidence projection pared with a like or dislike "decided" coice. In each SZ Vector their are four such possabilities do to the way the test grid is structered. To understand the 'exaggeration' It is useful to see this setting as representing a shift of the control or influence inherent in that SZ factor to the direction set factor paired with it.
[0][+]. [0][-], [+][0], [-][0] 
Dr. Szondi speculated, that there was an intuitive language of choice, a preverbal mode of communication, left over from mankind's ancestors, which made the like and dislike of facial photos of gene set hereditary lines reacted to, as if a mirror of the personality of the subject observing them, when they were viewed in a certan sequence procedure that is to be followed to get the data properly positioned into a psychogram, he called a 'profile', and which, once correctly arraingced, as belonging to eight psychiatric types, can be  then interpreted by persons knowledgeable in this method. A data base of thousands of such psychograms were taken across many differed populations and clinical case types, to serve as keys for decoding when decoded, then may serve to reflect a persons drives, which in turn reflect that person's strivings, traits and needs. This then when correctly understood represents that person's larger psychological drive aspects, his vercisitudes. The Szondi test therfore is to be conceptual as both a drive/impulse psychology and an analysis of vercisitudes.In a further intuitive jump he offered that a person's choice of love mates, friendships, occupation types, and symptoms were driven by one's gene ancestors deermined drives existing  within the constraints of his environment, hence also his thoeories were a measuring of a persons trajectory to his ultimate fate and forms of existence. Thus also a "fate analysis". . At times, he called this approach "Fate-Analytic", to make clear its difference from Freudian and Jungian Psychoanalysis very dominant  in psychiary and psychology at the time. One choice each side is still considered as being an 'open'.

Thursday, April 26, 2012

Affinity for all the strivings within the Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector. "Pan-Tendencies

Szondi's number--C16=Infrequent in the general population. 
Affinity for all the strivings within the Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector. (Pan-Tendencies)
Astounding! Mind-Set Event--The full rainbow of strivings--from both polar spectrums, Manic and Depressive existing as active, at one moment in time! Painful-confused.
Szondi seized on the loyal-disloyal attachment strivings within this setting for it's capsule heading. This is, of course correct. But to focus on that aspect may cause an interpretation of an inner crisis, or a grid lock effect, to be overlooked, futher the loading of any Vector with 8 to12 choices, suggests a major overloading in respect to all strivings that that vector plays in the individual's intrapsychic functions, and at the same time limits the choices possible across the the other three  Vectors. [*To be displayed later] (At least one sort of /attention deficit'  cause, we can demonstrate.) This double ambitendency was the least frequent setting in the Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector, but 'pan-tendency' occurs with more frequency in the other Szondi Test Vectors.(not displayed here) It is unstable and transitional. It may occur more frquently than we know as the event has passed before our test samples can be taken.

The "Horizontal Splt" in the Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector.

Better characterized as multi-object attachment preferendce inclined, they commonally offer beautiful rationalizations why their endless search for love or substitutions for whatever it means to them, and which should be accepted as the enlighned way to be, live and socialize. 


Loyalty to not only to the lost, denied forbidden love object but often a stubborn insistance to not change the situation no matter how little they apprear to get from life. While one cannot attribute psychological masocism to this Vector alone, this dual dislike affiity to both lower ends of the anal-sadistic core and the lower end of the  [d-] characteristically stickly loyalty on the incestious core makes a perfect re-enforcement for the outright sadistically tinged pain to self, pain to others, in various  equivant froms, such as scenarios that are unconsciously arrainged as to create or give suffering, rejection, or characteristically, the killing of joy, in most enjoyment events. Being stuck in the 'lower ends' of the dual specrums of, manic and depressive, is not a pleasurable event. One, in which, various forms of psychological masochism then serves to make life bareable.


The "Vertical Split" in the Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector.
Here we see aspects suupporting Szondi's view of this Vector, also being more than a mood or cyclic aspect, but as something where the person's drives meet the 'real world' in a characteric way, as that person see's his world in his mind-set at the time. Here [d0][m+/-], the percieved world is as one stuck in an isolation from the useful parts of his [d] strivings and emotionally he lives in an endless battle between his [m+] and [m-], as the  [d0] has shifted it authority to both ends of the manic specrum. An unhappy and often self districtive, suicidal or aberational striking out at others or the world in gereral potentially exists. If mirror-like flips to [d+/-][m0] occurs, the possibility of psychosis should be considered.
Often attacment and control issues apppear as a cyclic occurance by pressure from the [m-] strivings, part of the  anal-sadistic core (in Dr. Butler's view.)



[d+/-][m0] is similar in the unhappyness aspect but the result is arrises due a strong shift of authority of the manic   srivings side to the depressin spectrum of of polarity with its inclination to oscillate between hunger for love objects oe symbols of such [d+] and the old incestious model that cannot for long reallly serve as a replactment. The result is the person feels at a phobic/anxiety level a fear of losing attachment and/or control of his love objects, his material goods, and even his life itself. The cycling within depression striving poles, because the  lack of an adequate counterbalace, may drive those suffering this setting to seek help, usually after many experiments in self medicate, with alcohol, drugs, reckless behavous or in some cases, to follow criminal careers seizing, or exploiting other peoples valued objects.  
Last edit 4-30-2012












Wednesday, April 25, 2012

The Uni-Tendencies in the the Szondi Test.

 In an Interpretation the term "Mature" in connection
with [d0][m+] is to  be understood as meaning one. who has an affinity or preference to the 'oral type', food, drinking, talking and seeks love object attachments
satisfiing these strivings as a 'need'. This generally is a positive social adjustment in type, wither or not any
such  person is 'mature' in other aspects of his life.
Further, findings stay unchanging over time or over-loaded [m+!]=4 [m=!!]=5 or extreme all 6 [m+!!!]choices. Then this aspect of the person's personality can still be a problem  in her life, deserving attention, when any sort of psychological help work or therapy is being considered.

In Szondi's general population studies, this  choice  affinity [d0][m-!] occurred with slighly less frequency than the the 'mature' [d0][m+], which suggests within the greater gene pool there exists a large number of
individuals (men outnumbering women, but even more troublesome when persistent in a woman, where it may also appear as a 'wrong gender issue'.) Characteristially these individuals adjust to and follow the same oral based socializations as others do, sometimes with a more forced driving of themselves to try tp derive the pleasures that others seem to get without appearing to work hard to recieve.  In a persistent affinity to [d0][m-] and if in over-load, the strivings belonging to the [m-] (lower part of the anal-sadistic core, [d+][m-] affinity), may take over as "revolt" agaist the life lacking pleasure or authentic satisfactions, while many live their entire lives wth out serious issues and are able to channel the hypomanic energy into useful activites, a number do not. Pessimism and a potential for suicidal thougts as well a self-harm occurs in some, but not all.

Here the affinity is that which belongs to the [d-] part of the [d-][+] incestour core, as if, no longer optimistic about ever finding a replacement object (no [m+]) he/she pick apart everything around them and at the same time not willing to let any part go, picky, miserly, stubborn but loyal, with occasional reckless or over generous moments. One see's here a tenacity, that reminds us what Freud, called the incest complex, much like the herd instinct of amimals, that holds families and society together.



 The SZ Uni-tendencies are useful to serve as explamples of what a per's is revealing about himself from his like or dislike of particular facial photoes of the eight psychiatric conditions Dr. Szondi used for both his test and the psychological concepts he derived from these reactions. In a later  delelopments he created a extensions to the method to measure a person's psychological gender aspects, called the Dur/Moll analysis prodedure.
Be sure to search through the old posts and pages shown top right as new material assumes some awareness of context that has already been posted. 

Tuesday, April 24, 2012

The four Tri-Tendencies in the Contact/Cyclic/Polar/ Vector

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 The four settings that are-- "Tri-Tendencies" in the Contact/Cyclic/Polar/Vector have a recognizable influence that deserves close attention. 
While here appears various; sexual issues, abuse, cheating, relationship and mood issues/symptoms, one needs to keep in mind that interpretations just from this end of a person's Szondi Test profile can be misleading.
Understanidly all intra-personality functions affect each other. However the, Sexual/Gender Vector, stands the one most intimately bound with the Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector.
On the Szondi Profile Grid the left most one is the Sexual 'S' and the right most one as 'C'. With a middle placement of Paroxymal/Emotional 'P' and Ego as 'SCH' where SCH is a reference to schizophrene inheritance. Importantly this 
middle 'P' and 'SCH' Vectors act to moderate and censor both the Sexual and the Contact drives, every human has, varying only in proportion as to ultimately influence the way person the way s/he thinks, feels and acts within the path way permitted by his early conditioning and existing social pressures. Of clinical importance are the non-adjusted or symptomatic casations, where inappropreate or exaggerated strivings, cause perils to the individual, his relationships, or long term to end in an undesirable or dangerous form of existance. 



C8= A mid-frequency occurrence in the general population.




 For the average adjusted person, a less troublesome setting than diagnonal split =[d-][m+] or the uni-tendencies. 



*Core = [d-][m+]=incestous/maternal like/oral socialized.
*Like Affinity= [m+]=preference for oral socializations. 
*Dislike Affinity=[d-][m-]=loyal, stubborn, pessimism, suicidal thinking.revolt under some pressures
*Avoided prong=if inversion asserts, depression, lonelyness, sadistic or harsh moments. 
C 12 = infrequent in general population.


*Core =Analsadist raw core at times active.
*Like Affinity= [d+][m+] readiness to shift to oral socialized   potently the muti-objective desires of [d+][m+]
*Dislike Affinity.[m-]-resignation, revolt, suicidal thoughs.
*Avoided prong:  [d-] Potential inversions, as attempts at lofty, conservative behaviors. Usually stress, drug or hormonal triggered.
C14= infrequent in general population.


*Core =[d-][m+] Incestouos type oral socialization preferred,
*Like Affinity; {d+}[m+] Multi-Object seeking, and strong oral socialization user.{d+!}
*Dislike Affinity; [d-] anal stingyness, picky, conservative
*Avoided prong: Abcent lower part of the harsh anal-sadistic inclinations may suddenly switch to, when under stress pressure, alcohol, drugs or hormonal shifts,



 C15=infrequent in general population.


Prong reading--
*Core =Anal-Sadistic: [d+][m-]
*Like Affinity [d+]= depression, object search.
+Dislike Affinity [d-]= loyalty/hidden incestous desires
 [m-]=resignation/revolt.
*Avoided prong=[m+]=missing optimistic/oral socialization,
may invert to uni-tendency [m+], under overload, alcohol, drugs, hormonal changes.


The other 'Splits' in the Szondi Test: Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector
Uni-tendency:(4)
Horizontal:(2)
Vertical:(2)
Diagonal:(2)
Tri-Tendency:{4}
Pan-Tendency:(1)
Todal Avidant (1)

Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Fate Analysis answers (descriptively) the issues of human behaviors, from a different perspective



 Site is under constriction and navigation is not fully in place yet. If you arrived here looking for the current study group on the Szondi Test teachings on the experimental findings contrasted  against today's  DSM-IV Bipolar, Manic and Depressive, and the  rewrites of the unique views and insights of Hungarian psychiatrist, Leopold Szondi, MD and his Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector" --It is presented in  posts and  the pages on the top right.  of oof your screen.





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I can answer most your questions on the Szondi Test and the drive psychology developed by Professor Szondi and its ultimate decribing of the forms of exisance as the fates of humans which filled out his concept of his work being "Fate Analysis."
 Am I normal?--here are many 'Normals' --and mot abnorms are examples of sonething normal existing in an exagerarged or overly presistant form.
I have tender feelings for some of my same sex friends--Am I queer?
My boyfiend is bipolar and sometimes mean to me--can he change?
I've been diagnosed with ADD--does it show up in the Szondi Test?
 Dr. Szondi called the Szondi Test, developed psychological teachings, "Fate Analysis" --As the outcome of your drives, he believed, determines your choices in love mates, friendships, occupation, certain illnesses, and ultimately, the form of existence, you will end up living.
I know it's stupid and not right--and I wish it was otherwise--but I hate my mother--How did I get that way? Did she ot I cause this disconnect?




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Be sure and check "pages" in the right sidebar as that is where the\Contact/Cyclic Vector--Basis of all elements, called "Bipolar" is unfolding at about a section a day, in first draft and 4-30-2012  mostly finished, cleaning up some ambiguities etc--before a study of the Sexual/Gender Vector is attempted in similar detail. -Dr. Butler

passed
2011 A study of Ego  unfolding was posted. It followed the development of the Szondi Test detectable changes, related to Ego. developent from infancy through chldhood to adult stance. This following, for the most part the astute observations of Susan Deri, along with some of my own later developed views.
The Sexual/Gender and other Szondi Vectors have not really been renamed, or changed, but filled in to make clear what is the focus of each study segment relates to.
--Dr. B
"As filtered out by the Szondi Test; the
personality consists of four gene ancestor
four Vectors of influences, hard wired in the
brain and which serve as foundation for a person's
preferred choice making throughout his life,
his mate, friendships, occupation and
and untimely his dealing methods for
coping with life, his froms of existence.
Dr. Szondi called this at first. the individual's language of choice. A perhaps primative "pre-language" rooted in ancestors eons past.
The four heredity set Vectors; each with various settings which are also modeds of representing  unique functions of the personality.


1] Sexual/Gender "S" [h][s]
2] Paroxysmal/Emotional "P" [e][hy]
3] Ego/Self Direction/Participation "SCH" [k][p]
4] Contact/Cyclic/Polar "C" [d][m]
Each of the four above "Vectors" has within, two naturally opposed primitive gene passed cores that are essential to every humans passage to adult stance. 


It was the insight of Hungarian psychiatrist, Leopold Szondi, that these core elements when existing in an exaggerated form,where also the same or basis to being, the psychiatric condition they resembled. He build at first, a gene ancestor theory derived form gemological studies showing the appearance of psychiatric and  various medical disorders as they showed up in various family heredity lines, as choice preferences recurring in a family line. A laborious reseach lasting over a decade. He longed for a better quicker way to detect these gene set affinities. Stangely, the idea of a projective test using facial photos of person with a family history and clinical diagnosis of the same key psychiatric conditions as the provolver of a like or dislike, he reported came to him a dream. After which he developed the Szondi Test, after first considering calling it, the "Genic Affinity Test".



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Tuesday, February 28, 2012

I want to take the Szondi Test! HOW CAN i?

According to, Professor Szondi
you will lke or dislike, facial photos
of youe genic ancestor line almost
as mirror of what your mind set
is at the time of test, changing as you
change, and further the pressure of the
 domminent 'drives' set the person
on to his love choices, his occupation
and ultimately determines his form of
existence, this his psychology is also
fate analysis.
(Most American psychologists choked
on speaking such a mystic sounding term. )







You can take the Szondi Test Online, Under a screen name, after establishing yourself as a "follower" and therefor of your own volition also, "a student" and agreeing to accept the declaimer, that the Szondi Test is experimental, and no claim is made as to its fitness for any purpose, other than stimulating dialog, and each individual is to judge for himself as to wither or not the experiments and/or the Szondian Concept have any value. Any resultes or discussion offered are not diagnostic, as only a  professionally qualifed expert can do that under his state licenng to do so.






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Monday, February 20, 2012

Our definition of the Ego for the infant is the developed awareness of the difference between one self and others.




Our definition of the Ego for the infant is the developed awareness of the difference between one self and others. as infancy changes into childhood, along with all the features of growth, metabolic, neurological, hormonal, there is evidence of some awareness of fundamental needs and a searching to satisfy them. This is the basis for the belief there is an early 'pre verbal' or 'primitive' Ego
Within a few months perhaps as the developing brain readies for later developments of thinking and language (the later) unique to mankind. A system of impulse handing also develops concurrently. This early Ego appears to expand its controlling and adapting powers exponentially as language and basic thinking skills are acquired. At the same time the first 'primary' relations to significant others. partially remain and are not automatically over thrown and are carried over into the sequential development stages.
To set these unfolding stages into perspective for us Susan Deri translated the Szondi Test signs belonging to the Ego sphere (Sch) and putting aside the issues belonging to the three Szondi Vectors Sexual (S), Paroxysmal/Affect (P) and Contact/Mood (C). These three Vectors of course generate the needs and strivings a particular Ego setting has to handle. Different Ego patterns have different modes of doing their moderation work, Later in clinical examples our experimental test findings will reflect the fact that an adult under sufficient pressure or stress may regress to the use of Ego patterns belonging to his childhood.
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Sunday, February 12, 2012

The constraints of the Szondi Test permits filtering out of sixteen Ego Patterns.




2011 YEAR THE EGO WAS REVUED, in Szondi's composed of the articulation of Catatonic and Paranoid ancestor set impulse strivings. Both 'Schizophrene' in exaggerated forms, thus coded "Sch" 

 I expect to rewrite this sections after I cover the other Vectors. Sexual/Gender, Paroxysmal/Emotional.

For the purpose of study, this table is useful as a reference, Far more useful and interesting is the Ego development (as [k] and [p] choices, generated by tested individuala) as demonstrated within  the contraints of the experimental test. {All prospective tests have constraints that need be recognized. A point easy to overlook.} These fndins thenpermit a visualization of the relative intensities of the drives that he test material seeks to measure, however in a schematic form, from which a experimentor may use to create his intrepretation of what he believes the results represents. To due this he must be aware of what similar results where associated with in other individuals and their normal or clinical history. The generalizations that are offered here are for that purpose, but are all so useful as psychological terms in themselves useful for any student of psychology, mental health, social work, education or related human behavior studies.

The Ego (Self) of Leopold Szondi (MD, Hungarian,(later Swiss) World War I physician, university professor, Hungarian government education specialist, genealogist, endocrinologist and psychoanalyst. Inventor, The Szondi Test (At first, called "Genic affinity experimental test.")

 The various Ego positions:

THE EGO HAS RECOGNIZABLE POSTIONS OR SETTINGS WHICH CHANGE WITH DEVELOPMENT AND USEAGE.


They unfold from infancy to old age. This in respect to the Ego Vector here. Later you will each of a person's also exert their strivings at the same moment in time. The larger system is to be understood for it's parts, which may be confusing at first, but should be rewarding to explore for students of human nature. 


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Tuesday, February 7, 2012

"As filtered out by the Szondi Test; the personality consists of four gene ancestor set "Vectors of influence.", hard wired in the brain and which serve as foundation for a person's preferred choice making throughout his life, his mate, friendships, occupation and untimately, his dealing methods for coping with life, which then over time, determned his position in the many froms of existence that represent the fate of humans."

  • The four heredity set Vectors; each with various settings which are also modeds of representing unique functions of the personality.


    1] Sexual/Gender

      2] Paroxysmal/Emotional

      3] Ego/Self Direction/Participation.

      4] Contact/Cyclic/Polar

L. Szondi's Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector is the Study Group focus--Pages top right.
AS SUGGESTED ABOVE--IT REPRESENTS ONLY A QUARTER OF A PERSONS
GENE SET BIO-HEREDITY.
more later
--more later

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Szondi's Contact/Cyclic/Mood/Polar Vector (Where Relationships Can Drive one Bipolar..


This is a index to help you dig around.

Study group (Here)
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The Basic Conflict-Cause of Neurosis


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The constraints of the Szondi Test permits filter...
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The Ego Stages as reflected in the Szondi Test. [2011 Study offering.]

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Welcome--Everyone has to start someplace--or someplace different later on. If you have an interest in humans and how they work you should find a lot of food for thought here. It not the usual stuff. Follow the grown of the little guy's Ego from breast to adult stance as filtered out and theoized from the various settings invented by Hungarian Psychiatrist, Leopold Szondi and his astute student and co-worker Susan Deri.


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Certain Original images (L. Szondi (c) Grune and Straton/ NY./Hans Huber/Bern, Swiss.) were revised for fair use teaching purposes. You are advised to obtain the SZONDI TEST set and books directly  from the copywrite owners. This is educational commentary and the responsibility for the views offered and whatever errors that my reporting makes are my responsibility. Scientific value is left your judgment.


Even without the Szondi Test
the categories and terms
expand will expand how you
view the nature of mankind
when viewed from the various
outcomes of his gene ancestor
 based drive structure.




The Szondi Reagant Photos and the personality traits of those who avoid them as they talke the Szondi Test. I start here because if a frequent finding and not any random occurance, supporting Szondi' contention the photos were of reagent quality useful as a projective test.


Along with some from a generation before you --
you can puzzle on why/how-- out of 48 picture representing, 8 psychiatric types, a person can avoid cossing two specificc types. You don't need the test set to do the mind work that I touch on here, but it is a lot more interesting, with it, especially when you test yourself to to  'see' an image of yourself or others, class mates family and actual cases..

  This common finding C=[d0][m0], in the Contact Vector (Or [Cyclic/Contact Vector] as renamed to include various modes of bonding and contact with aspects of reality also found to be traits and strivings and needs detected to be asserting in manic deppressive individuals. We will try to explore the various  [d] and [m] articulation with Szondi Test of interpretive importance. (And you can deside for yourself it's usefulness and validness.)
RED= 1 LIKE, BLACK= 1 DISLIKE as
seen from a middle line with 6 spaces
above an 6 below, here it is realtiviy
an avoidance in all 4 possible 
directions--Called a double 'open', the 
strivings a decided would indicate
are not "gone" but exist background.










Now going deeper in the specific avoidance of like or dislike of the SZ photos ff the psychometric types manic an depressive. (DSM IV readers need to hold off trying to use today's terms until they cover the full sixteen settings and understand it is settings in the other three Vectors that determe, any final  move to a clinical outcome,  before any clinical outcome beyond normal cyclic is reached thus, there the setting reflect are those mainly normal, but not allways pleasant adjustments that most people make.)


Alone with some from a generation before you --
you can puzzle on why/how-- out of 48 picture representing, 8 psychiatric types, a person can avoid cossing two specificc types. You don't need the test set to do the mind work I touch on here, but it is a lot more interesting, with it, especially when you test yourself to to  'see' an image of yourself.

 We will display one after the other the settings and findings in the Contact Vector (Or [Cyclic Vector] as renamed to include various modes of bonding and contact with aspects of reality, also they are believed to asserting in this [d] and [m] articulation with comment of Szondi Test interpretive importance. as we go.)

 A 'double open'. A  'setting' or 'finding' not so common in the other three Vectors, where the subject avoids BOTH the liking or disliking choices (asumed to be unconsciously made action) as he takes the Szondi Test in the proper sequence. (In your editor's limited experience, this "setting" [d=0][m=0] seemed to be the frequent one of young adults entering into relationships without being ready or transitiional to separation from their families of orign and same time not really ready to bond sincerely with the new significant person  and same time sexual and ego strivings that may be over active. [look to the[ Sexual Vector]. [Paroxysmal Vector and   Ego Vector] for other settings representing what then is ] probably dominating the both thinking and behavior at that moment in time. This image shoe one liked and one same factor disliked, which is relative speaking still avoidance significant, but more often is a single or sometines none at all.


Meet Cyclic Setting #1 of 16] (Order of frequency according to Dr. Szondi)

on here, but it is a lot more interesting, with it, especially when you test yourself to to sort of 'see' an image of yourself.


 Close up of a common finding in the Contact Vector (Or [Cyclic Vector] as renamed to include various modes of bonding and contact with aspects of reality also found to be asserting in  this [d] and [m] articulation with Szondi Test's interpretive importance.)

 A double "open" (we theorise to be)an foreground absence of all the the core strivings of entire  C Vector,  Here the Cyclic/Contact/Polar which is build from the natural antagonists of depressives and manics.
. A double open finding not so common in the other three Vectors,  it is where the subject avoids BOTH the liking or disliking choices (asumed to be unconsciously made action) as he takes the Szondi Test in the proper sequence. (In your editor's limited experience, this "setting" [d=0][m=0] seemed to be the frequent one of young adults entering into relationships without being ready for separation from their families of orign and same time not really ready to bond sincerely with the new significant person  and same time sexual and ego strivings that may be over active. [look to the[ Sexual Vector]. [Paroxysmal Vecto[r and   Ego Vector] for other settings representing what then is ] probably dominating the both thinking and behaviour at that moment in time.

This will get clearer as to significance as we move through the sequence.

Comment: I was introduced to this experimental method by my  (circa 1951-2) professor, who said you just have to see this for yourself. Well seeing it for myself I did, and while now I cop out of any claim of scientific proof. I tell you the same thing.


In the setting [d=0][m=0] (It can also writen as "C=00" leaving out the 'understood' {d}{m}) as making it a sort of jargon thing you will soon master.




Szondi teaches us that subjects being SZONDI Test, procedure is done by his like and dislike choice making of the 48 SZ reagent photos. Therefore the choices the subject has performed an act that can only be explained on a theoretical subconscious  projection basis, the results of which then reflects projectivly his drives, inclinatons and needs (when correctly understood the related strvings asserting, at the time of the test sample was made. This the total system is also a drive psychology.   



The results are said to be made by a subconscious filtering not by chance. Also these setting detected will change paralleled to subjects inner strivings, in respect to their strength and how they are being satisfied. Therefor multiple samplings, usually a series of ten testings of a person needs to be produced before jumping to making anything more than tentative interpretations..





It needs to be remembered that a "setting" reflects the moment repeat samples are

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The Ego Stages as reflected in the Szondi Test. [2011 Study offering.]


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DSM IV treats Bipolar as if a disease. But still recognizing that it is connected to the articulation of manic and depressive mood  swings and behaviors. Where Szondi saw the same aspects as part of heredity we all
as humans without exception contains, and the impuses of which drive everyone where it impacts our contact with the world, relationships and the reality one lives in.

;CYCLIC/POLAR/CONTACT VECTOR
Offered a different view than DSM-IV.
 Szondi follows the terms in use a generation earlier .




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Tuesday, January 10, 2012

The Ego Stages as reflected in the Szondi Test.

The Ego Stages as reflected in the Szondi Test. "The Ego is your steering device."

The Unfolding of the Ego.



Normally, Ego development takes place according to a detailed six stage schema as proposed by Susan Deri, "Introduction to the Szondi Test" [Grune & Strattion, N.Y. 1949. Her order is followed here, but the characterizations are arbitrarily revised into capsulations, for our study purposes. French Edition is currently in print. (Louvain University Press.)


1. (k0 p-)


Adualism: The indistinction between the ego and the other (up to one year). [See J. Paiget ] [In the adult it is called the 'paranoid Ego' and an indication of a regressive thought mode.



2. (k+ p-)



Childish Omnipotence: The magical-autistical omnipotence (pre-oedipian period). [See Melanne Kline's, not so benign view of infancy.] [See, J. Lancan," Mirror Phase"]


3. (± -)


Beginning accomidation, turbulence, resistance. (First Oedipian Separations) [See Winnicot ] [See Toilet Training, Early Care Takers.] [The "Restless Ego" of many talented Adults.]

4. (- -)


Acceptance, accomidation (The pressure to conform and the social rewards, the latency period. [The Drill Ego of Adults-Suggesting that many never fully go beyond this mode of Ego development.]

5. (- 0)
If acceptance and accomidation is successful, the start of adolescence the young person may then try to replicate that which was accepted earler ['The Mild Compulsive Ego' when found in profiles, one or two decades later. ]

6. (- +)


Adolescence. Mating impluse asserts on several levels and the desire previously repressed reaches consciousness backed by the newly aquired physical ability to do so. That this will meet with many set backs and frustrations, a well known feature of passing through adolesence. For many it will be the first serious Ego failure and the overwhelmed Ego may move to a kind of grid lock crises [k± p±] or what seems like a tuning off of thinking and feeling [k0 p0], or some will move back to older Ego settings with which they feel more secure however childish it may seem. Many show an appearance of [k+] and as well an awareness of depression [d+] as they restart a new search for fulfillment. In adults it is the 'Fully compulsive Ego'.


Comment.



For us as students of human nature, we ask what is it beyond this theoretical passage of the Ego that will address our desire to understand the larger issues and concerns in respect to ultimate behavior? What can we by this Szondi Test that offers insight in those humans who develop atypical or outright abnormal forms of existance?

The best answer I can offer now is, we can recast almost everything you previously believed to be psychologically caused, in the Szondi coding system, but our new metaphors also leave many who's and why's awaiting answer. The metaphors of the settings, and the strivings and what they represent are crafted from the unconscious choices by tested persons. This is done without extracting a verbal inventory, in fact you need not even speak the language of the tested subject, as long is he follows the choice procedure correctly.

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