Szondi's Contact/Cyclic/Mood/Polar Vector (Where Relationships Can Drive one Bipolar..

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Welcome--Everyone has to start someplace--or someplace different later on. If you have an interest in humans and how they work you should find a lot of food for thought here. It not the usual stuff. Follow the grown of the little guy's Ego from breast to adult stance as filtered out and theoized from the various settings invented by Hungarian Psychiatrist, Leopold Szondi and his astute student and co-worker Susan Deri.

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My modernizations here can be wrong, test everything against the original, please. Feel  free to question, This is a study group. Certain Original images (L. Szondi (c) Grune and Straton/ NY./Hans Huber/Bern, Swiss.) were revised for fair use teaching purposes. You are advised to obtain the SZONDI TEST set and books directly  from the copywrite owners. This is educational commentary and the responsibility for the views offered and whatever errors that my reporting makes are my responsibility. Scientific value is left your judgment. Even without the Szondi Test the categories and terms expand will expand how you view the nature of mankind when viewed from the various outcomes of his gene ancestor  based drive structure.

The Szondi Reagant Photos and the personality traits of those who avoid them as they talke the Szondi Test. I start here because if a frequent finding and not any random occurance, supporting Szondi' contention the photos were of reagent quality useful as a projective test. Along with some from a generation before you -- you can puzzle on why/how-- out of 48 picture representing, 8 psychiatric types, a person can avoid cossing two specificc types. You don't need the test set to do the mind work that I touch on here, but it is a lot more interesting, with it, especially when you test yourself to to  'see' an image of yourself or others, class mates family and actual cases..   This common finding C=[d0][m0], in the Contact Vector (Or [Cyclic/Contact Vector] as renamed to include various modes of bonding and contact with aspects of reality also found to be traits and strivings and needs detected to be asserting in manic deppressive individuals. We will try to explore the various  [d] and [m] articulation with Szondi Test of interpretive importance. (And you can deside for yourself it's usefulness and validness.)

RED= 1 LIKE, BLACK= 1 DISLIKE as seen from a middle line with 6 spaces above an 6 below, here it is realtiviy an avoidance in all 4 possible  directions--Called a double 'open', the  strivings a decided would indicate are not "gone" but exist background. Now going deeper in the specific avoidance of like or dislike of the SZ photos ff the psychometric types manic an depressive. (DSM IV readers need to hold off trying to use today's terms until they cover the full sixteen settings and understand it is settings in the other three Vectors that determe, any final  move to a clinical outcome,  before any clinical outcome beyond normal cyclic is reached thus, there the setting reflect are those mainly normal, but not allways pleasant adjustments that most people make.) Alone with some from a generation before you -- you can puzzle on why/how-- out of 48 picture representing, 8 psychiatric types, a person can avoid cossing two specificc types. You don't need the test set to do the mind work I touch on here, but it is a lot more interesting, with it, especially when you test yourself to to  'see' an image of yourself.  We will display one after the other the settings and findings in the Contact Vector (Or [Cyclic Vector] as renamed to include various modes of bonding and contact with aspects of reality, also they are believed to asserting in this [d] and [m] articulation with comment of Szondi Test interpretive importance. as we go.)  A 'double open'. A  'setting' or 'finding' not so common in the other three Vectors, where the subject avoids BOTH the liking or disliking choices (asumed to be unconsciously made action) as he takes the Szondi Test in the proper sequence. (In your editor's limited experience, this "setting" [d=0][m=0] seemed to be the frequent one of young adults entering into relationships without being ready or transitiional to separation from their families of orign and same time not really ready to bond sincerely with the new significant person  and same time sexual and ego strivings that may be over active. [look to the[ Sexual Vector]. [Paroxysmal Vector and   Ego Vector] for other settings representing what then is ] probably dominating the both thinking and behavior at that moment in time. This image shoe one liked and one same factor disliked, which is relative speaking still avoidance significant, but more often is a single or sometines none at all. Meet Cyclic Setting #1 of 16] (Order of frequency according to Dr. Szondi) on here, but it is a lot more interesting, with it, especially when you test yourself to to sort of 'see' an image of yourself.  Close up of a common finding in the Contact Vector (Or [Cyclic Vector] as renamed to include various modes of bonding and contact with aspects of reality also found to be asserting in  this [d] and [m] articulation with Szondi Test's interpretive importance.)  A double "open" (we theorise to be)an foreground absence of all the the core strivings of entire  C Vector,  Here the Cyclic/Contact/Polar which is build from the natural antagonists of depressives and manics. . A double open finding not so common in the other three Vectors,  it is where the subject avoids BOTH the liking or disliking choices (asumed to be unconsciously made action) as he takes the Szondi Test in the proper sequence. (In your editor's limited experience, this "setting" [d=0][m=0] seemed to be the frequent one of young adults entering into relationships without being ready for separation from their families of orign and same time not really ready to bond sincerely with the new significant person  and same time sexual and ego strivings that may be over active. [look to the[ Sexual Vector]. [Paroxysmal Vecto[r and   Ego Vector] for other settings representing what then is ] probably dominating the both thinking and behaviour at that moment in time. This will get clearer as to significance as we move through the sequence.

Comment: I was introduced to this experimental method by my  (circa 1951-2) professor, who said you just have to see this for yourself. Well seeing it for myself I did, and while now I cop out of any claim of scientific proof. I tell you the same thing. In the setting [d=0][m=0] (It can also writen as "C=00" leaving out the 'understood' {d}{m}) as making it a sort of jargon thing you will soon master. Szondi teaches us that subjects being SZONDI Test, procedure is done by his like and dislike choice making of the 48 SZ reagent photos. Therefore the choices the subject has performed an act that can only be explained on a theoretical subconscious  projection basis, the results of which then reflects projectivly his drives, inclinatons and needs (when correctly understood the related strvings asserting, at the time of the test sample was made. This the total system is also a drive psychology.    The results are said to be made by a subconscious filtering not by chance. Also these setting detected will change paralleled to subjects inner strivings, in respect to their strength and how they are being satisfied. Therefor multiple samplings, usually a series of ten testings of a person needs to be produced before jumping to making anything more than tentative interpretations.. It needs to be remembered that a "setting" reflects the moment repeat samples are taken preferably daily or every other day, to have a base of 10 Szondi profils to better interpet the findings and how they reflect changng life events. Sometimes in therapy setting, testing can be used at the beginning of each therapy sessions, as to track thet inner drive changes as they happen. In this way as to be part of the therapy and not necisarilly intented to be directy diagnostic. The  intention being to recognize where a subject's shiftng inclinations may be moving him. This use as an instant porjective test for such tracking is a feature is unique, I believe, to the Szondi Test. Althiugh some depression specialists use prepared mood inventories somewhat in a similar manner. The 48 Szondi Test Photos represent the 8 lines of the universal. In  drives of humans. If then you can accept that each of the  8 if existing in an exaggerated form, also is for that individual an example of that psychiatric condition. The pressure of your ancestors are then determining the framework for your fate in life. [smile] Excuse the small amunt of brain washing--but your will need it to get full effect.

Our first "setting" [d0][m0]  is where a subject in making his like and dislike choices appears to avoid the SZ reagent photos, of both the deprepressives and manics. It's things like this double open that will serve to convince most most observers that this is really not by change and that there is some validity to the claim of a 'projective effect' going on. And as well as how close results match the known psychological  history of those "now coded" as "C=00" subjects.  but a curious mind state, best described as one of childish curiosity and a vague expectations about desired relationships will just happen without any effort on their part. Some subjects who show this as a steady projection event, seem to drift passively unsure what they wish to do. More to be added later from the work of Susan Deri.

Meet Cyclic Setting #2 of 16 C=[d0][m+] ] (You will lean the Szondi system as your go--) It gets a little sicky half way through-But stick with it and you will never see relationship issue the same as before.

C=[0][m+!] Drepressives avoided and same time a 4 block like of manics.  The Hungarian psychiatrist and professor Leopold Szondi saw this as "mature attachment and fear of object loss.". A view perhaps better reworded as a person inclined to a stable attachment, and indeed would frear and feel unhappiness if that significant love object was taken from him. Noteworthy is the subject made the avoidance choice, one like, one dislike is still a relative avoidance. coded [d0]  in the    depressives factor, and be assumed to be arranging his life and relationships as to not triggering depression, but at the same time pick 4 manics as likes, where a 'Comfortable' choice would have been 2 or 3 manic as likes an eclamation point is added to the code to show this [m+!]if it had been 5 it would ode [m+!!] or 6 {m+!!!} When within a Vector (here the Cyclic one) [d0 m+!] itis also a unitendency which as the name suggests lead to the overdrive, or over utlization of the strivings, inclinations and needs that this loaded factor rpresents and more so when loaded throur 4,5, or 6 choices either like [+] or dislike [-] [+] or [-] is not any value judgment you are forced by the structure of the test to produce the likes and dislikes. More to be added later from the work of Susan Deri.

Meet Cyclic Setting #3 of 16 C=[d0][m-]

The finding of hypomanic reaction formation. Missing in the unitendency are key striving that provideemotional anchorage an adjusted person must have. Unhappy ties to the world (especially his love objects) Thi is often a choice of subjects recioiling from a ended love relationship or those raising hell agaist anything in reach. It is hard to imagine, DSM-IV type  a 'hard' type of bipolar that would not show this setting--if we could get him to even take the test, It a loss of joy in life and oftem More to be added later from the work of Susan Deri.murderous and suicidal thought co-exist. (See signficance of unitendencies #5) More to be added later from the work of Susan Deri.

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'OPEN' [D][aMBIVALENT [M] Finding of conflictual clinging and reaction formation. Wretched object relations. The  [d0] suggests the person is conflict bound as he  [m ambivalance has little oportunities for a comfortable solution.] This is a one factor ambivalent setting, there are only two of these posible, in each Vector. The other one being [±][0], which may be seen as shared or concatination of a top untendency and botton, some level of confict relating to the  [±] factor in whick it is found can be assumed. More to be added later from the work of Susan Deri.

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Setting reflecting the "finding of clinging to lost lobjects and issues of measuring all valued things againt a what should/could be modeled after attactments deleveloped in the family of orign. It is a "unitrend" an "open" pared agaist a decided choise. These are useful to inform us of the nature of the main strivings that the choice may carry for the subject. As the one "prong" has its directional powers without comperitions from the other 3 possible prongs. There are only four unitendencies posible in each  SZ Vector. More to be added later from the work of Susan Deri.

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new style box add your color Settin common to incestious love and hatrid--while the strivngs may eaxist in other VERY DIFFERENT settings they rise to importance here. no relationship can replace mom. More to be added later from the work of Susan Deri.

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The double minus of unhappyness and lifeit unrewarding, and pesimisum, if loaded and persitent a break with reality, suicidial inclinations. As show here these are no lkes at all, in facf a counterballancing 1 'like' bock in either the [d] or[m] factor, would soften the any negative suggestions. More to be added later from the work of Susan Deri.

Meet Cyclic Setting # 8 of 16 C=[d- ][m±] ]

Affinity [d-][m+/-] This three prong setting is called a "Tri-tendency" There are several of these in each SZ Vector. It is to be noted this 'incestous' core [d-][m+], is embedded in this SZ setting, as well as the block of 'irrealty' [d-][m-] the [m+/-], and not to be ignored is the missing prong [d+]. An understand on the comples mixed moods and thoughts associated with the setting, can be surmised, when this three ponged setting is seen as all these embedded potential assertinf as the same time, which clinical experience has show has a potential to suddenly invert strongly to the missing prong as then to act dominent, unexplanable and disruptive confusing to both the subject, his significant others, and any therapist working with a showing of [d+] strivings, depression, lonelyness and anal-sadistic outbursts not characteristic for that person. Recall that [d+] is here the missing upper prong of the anal-sadistic core. One thery for the inversion is that conflicts involved in the tri-tendency dove the subject to what amounts to a tempoary mental milt down.

Meet Cyclic Setting #9 of 16 C=[d+][m0] ]

Lost love Bonds [d+][m0]  is a Uni-tendency, with only one directional prong. Unitendencies are usually strietgh forward from an interpretive standpoint and can be understood as the striving natural to the directional assert therselves directedly without appreaent conflict on the part of the subject. The [m0] is on the side of the manic striving elements, important to effective mern socialization are being avoided with some inhibition in socialization to be exectd as a consequence. The oral strivings are still there, still used, but now cannot provide full satisfactionl. Szondi called [d+][mo] a sign of --"Unfaitful relationship" As with this  SZ setting, an indentication with depressives and all their miseries it can offer also asserts, and can push/pull the depressive inpulse to seek new relationships to "kill the pain". One characterization of persitent forms of this setting is one of ''UNSATISFIABLE OBJECT HUNGER". Recognizable also where material things are sought at as replacement for lost love feelings.

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Affinity [d+][m+] Simultaneous ties or desire for new relationshps, perpetual search for the love that relieves the object hunger, while often utiliging and depentant on the existing relationship. Also can be summed up as a inclination to multo-object desires, where object means more ofter sexual pursued ones rather than ones for pursued for emotional support or material support, Noteworthy is the abcent of any dislike choices [d-] or [m-], suggesting the person missing the loyaty that a [d-] would introduce and at the same is also missing the raw sadism and disconnect from reality that [m-] would potentially exist. The result is a active and clever at rationalizing person, optimistic that his wishes will prevail. The presense of this setting,  is frequent in bisexuals and old age, according to Susan Deri xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Although thing become more complex and mixed, if you grasped the strivings belonging to [d+][m-] now added to [d+][m+] and [d+][m-] embedded in this setting, one can recognize the driection and potention conflict the setting suggests. the striving....

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Search for new after separation from old, the strivings of anal sadism also present, for some, a cave man approach tp object relationships, when additional choices "loads the two factors [d+!!][m-!!] xxxxxxxxxxxxborn to raise hell--

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new style box add your color Steetin refects strivings  of, depression, greif and hunger for a replacment love object, in some cases as ego ideal of self importance. It has embedded [d+][m0] and [d-][m0] a confict inceased by the [m strivings not being available to decide, wnat sort of social partisipation to use. ]xxxxxxxxxxxxxxProblimatimatic and restless, unhappy--xxx

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Desirxe for multiple relationships, sometimes sublimated to material objects,  and organizations repsenting cherished ego ideals. Compare this#14  with (#11 ) as presented above) to get a feel of just how useful the Szondi test can be when used in therapy  sessions.  Then look to #15 [dA][m-] A first glance these look similar, both contain [d+][m+]xxxxxxxprong" but reverse [d][m] positions as to the negative]xxxxx

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[dA][mi])  One can see Immmedially recognise enbedded in this  setting as the anal-sadiistc "common guy" strivings, and same time the bock of unhappy relations pesimism and partial diconncect from "relationship reality" of [d-][m-]--and the potential vacilliation to the missing "prong", the [m+] as if a overwhelling desire to cling to a needed significant object of love and ambivalence [dA]. I think it's safe to expect that many DSM IV "Soft Bipolar" labeled persons, would belong within this pattern, but no data is available on that.

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Totally wretched object relations dilemma. Polar, usally rapic cyclic mood and mind set. An opposit to the "Double anvoicaces it is one of simutainous affimity to each and every pong in the C vector and thereefore the srtriving they represent, with in the C Vector, and close to rare (nerver once in my own limited series of samplings.) Susan Dero offeres the idea the multiplisity also carries more opprtunites to change settings and outcomes. Both her and Szondi note it as pointing to some "transition opening up".  it might be found with those entering some form of medical/psychiatric clinics, or psychological type or support or therapy, or the beginning of a recovery. Show her is the intense choice if 3 likes and 3 dislikes, whiche uses up all six renditions of the [d] and [m] photos, a remakable occurance, the 2 likes and 2 seen as a within some concept of normal adjustments.

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