Our definition of the Ego for the infant is the developed awareness of the difference between one self and others.

Our definition of the Ego for the infant is the developed awareness of the difference between one self and others. as infancy changes into childhood, along with all the features of growth, metabolic, neurological, hormonal, there is evidence of some awareness of fundamental needs and a searching to satisfy them. This is the basis for the belief there is an early 'pre verbal' or 'primitive' Ego
Within a few months perhaps as the developing brain readies for later developments of thinking and language (the later) unique to mankind. A system of impulse handing also develops concurrently. This early Ego appears to expand its controlling and adapting powers exponentially as language and basic thinking skills are acquired. At the same time the first 'primary' relations to significant others. partially remain and are not automatically over thrown and are carried over into the sequential development stages.
To set these unfolding stages into perspective for us Susan Deri translated the Szondi Test signs belonging to the Ego sphere (Sch) and putting aside the issues belonging to the three Szondi Vectors Sexual (S), Paroxysmal/Affect (P) and Contact/Mood (C). These three Vectors of course generate the needs and strivings a particular Ego setting has to handle. Different Ego patterns have different modes of doing their moderation work, Later in clinical examples our experimental test findings will reflect the fact that an adult under sufficient pressure or stress may regress to the use of Ego patterns belonging to his childhood.

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The constraints of the Szondi Test permits filtering out of sixteen Ego Patterns.

2011 YEAR THE EGO WAS REVUED, in Szondi's composed of the articulation of Catatonic and Paranoid ancestor set impulse strivings. Both 'Schizophrene' in exaggerated forms, thus coded "Sch" 

 I expect to rewrite this sections after I cover the other Vectors. Sexual/Gender, Paroxysmal/Emotional.

For the purpose of study, this table is useful as a reference, Far more useful and interesting is the Ego development (as [k] and [p] choices, generated by tested individuala) as demonstrated within  the contraints of the experimental test. {All prospective tests have constraints that need be recognized. A point easy to overlook.} These fndins thenpermit a visualization of the relative intensities of the drives that he test material seeks to measure, however in a schematic form, from which a experimentor may use to create his intrepretation of what he believes the results represents. To due this he must be aware of what similar results where associated with in other individuals and their normal or clinical history. The generalizations that are offered here are for that purpose, but are all so useful as psychological terms in themselves useful for any student of psychology, mental health, social work, education or related human behavior studies.

The Ego (Self) of Leopold Szondi (MD, Hungarian,(later Swiss) World War I physician, university professor, Hungarian government education specialist, genealogist, endocrinologist and psychoanalyst. Inventor, The Szondi Test (At first, called "Genic affinity experimental test.")

 The various Ego positions:

THE EGO HAS RECOGNIZABLE POSTIONS OR SETTINGS WHICH CHANGE WITH DEVELOPMENT AND USEAGE.

They unfold from infancy to old age. This in respect to the Ego Vector here. Later you will each of a person's also exert their strivings at the same moment in time. The larger system is to be understood for it's parts, which may be confusing at first, but should be rewarding to explore for students of human nature. 

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"As filtered out by the Szondi Test; the personality consists of four gene ancestor set "Vectors of influence.", hard wired in the brain and which serve as foundation for a person's preferred choice making throughout his life, his mate, friendships, occupation and untimately, his dealing methods for coping with life, which then over time, determned his position in the many froms of existence that represent the fate of humans."

The four heredity set Vectors; each with various settings which are also modeds of representing unique functions of the personality. 1] Sexual/Gender       2] Paroxysmal/Emotional       3] Ego/Self Direction/Participation.       4] Contact/Cyclic/Polar

L. Szondi's Contact/Cyclic/Polar Vector is the Study Group focus--Pages top right. AS SUGGESTED ABOVE--IT REPRESENTS ONLY A QUARTER OF A PERSONS GENE SET BIO-HEREDITY.

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Welcome--Everyone has to start someplace--or someplace different later on. If you have an interest in humans and how they work you should find a lot of food for thought here. It not the usual stuff. Follow the grown of the little guy's Ego from breast to adult stance as filtered out and theoized from the various settings invented by Hungarian Psychiatrist, Leopold Szondi and his astute student and co-worker Susan Deri.

UNDER CONSTRUCTION The "xx" and some gaps you see are place markers I need to return to and fill in.  SITE: Szondi Test Study Group Open to public, students, professionals, the curious. UNDER CONSTRUCTION ADVANCES SOME EACH DAY YOU ARE A SIDEWALK SUPERINTENDENT PLEASE LOOK AROUND----POST YOUR SUGGESTIONS. Szondi's Contact/Cyclic/Mood/Polar Vector (Where Relationships  Can Drive one Bipolar..

My modernizations here can be wrong, test everything against the original, please. Feel  free to question, This is a study group. Certain Original images (L. Szondi (c) Grune and Straton/ NY./Hans Huber/Bern, Swiss.) were revised for fair use teaching purposes. You are advised to obtain the SZONDI TEST set and books directly  from the copywrite owners. This is educational commentary and the responsibility for the views offered and whatever errors that my reporting makes are my responsibility. Scientific value is left your judgment. Even without the Szondi Test the categories and terms expand will expand how you view the nature of mankind when viewed from the various outcomes of his gene ancestor  based drive structure.

The Szondi Reagant Photos and the personality traits of those who avoid them as they talke the Szondi Test. I start here because if a frequent finding and not any random occurance, supporting Szondi' contention the photos were of reagent quality useful as a projective test. Along with some from a generation before you -- you can puzzle on why/how-- out of 48 picture representing, 8 psychiatric types, a person can avoid cossing two specificc types. You don't need the test set to do the mind work that I touch on here, but it is a lot more interesting, with it, especially when you test yourself to to  'see' an image of yourself or others, class mates family and actual cases..   This common finding C=[d0][m0], in the Contact Vector (Or [Cyclic/Contact Vector] as renamed to include various modes of bonding and contact with aspects of reality also found to be traits and strivings and needs detected to be asserting in manic deppressive individuals. We will try to explore the various  [d] and [m] articulation with Szondi Test of interpretive importance. (And you can deside for yourself it's usefulness and validness.)

RED= 1 LIKE, BLACK= 1 DISLIKE as seen from a middle line with 6 spaces above an 6 below, here it is realtiviy an avoidance in all 4 possible  directions--Called a double 'open', the  strivings a decided would indicate are not "gone" but exist background. Now going deeper in the specific avoidance of like or dislike of the SZ photos ff the psychometric types manic an depressive. (DSM IV readers need to hold off trying to use today's terms until they cover the full sixteen settings and understand it is settings in the other three Vectors that determe, any final  move to a clinical outcome,  before any clinical outcome beyond normal cyclic is reached thus, there the setting reflect are those mainly normal, but not allways pleasant adjustments that most people make.) Alone with some from a generation before you -- you can puzzle on why/how-- out of 48 picture representing, 8 psychiatric types, a person can avoid cossing two specificc types. You don't need the test set to do the mind work I touch on here, but it is a lot more interesting, with it, especially when you test yourself to to  'see' an image of yourself.  We will display one after the other the settings and findings in the Contact Vector (Or [Cyclic Vector] as renamed to include various modes of bonding and contact with aspects of reality, also they are believed to asserting in this [d] and [m] articulation with comment of Szondi Test interpretive importance. as we go.)  A 'double open'. A  'setting' or 'finding' not so common in the other three Vectors, where the subject avoids BOTH the liking or disliking choices (asumed to be unconsciously made action) as he takes the Szondi Test in the proper sequence. (In your editor's limited experience, this "setting" [d=0][m=0] seemed to be the frequent one of young adults entering into relationships without being ready or transitiional to separation from their families of orign and same time not really ready to bond sincerely with the new significant person  and same time sexual and ego strivings that may be over active. [look to the[ Sexual Vector]. [Paroxysmal Vector and   Ego Vector] for other settings representing what then is ] probably dominating the both thinking and behavior at that moment in time. This image shoe one liked and one same factor disliked, which is relative speaking still avoidance significant, but more often is a single or sometines none at all. Meet Cyclic Setting #1 of 16] (Order of frequency according to Dr. Szondi) on here, but it is a lot more interesting, with it, especially when you test yourself to to sort of 'see' an image of yourself.  Close up of a common finding in the Contact Vector (Or [Cyclic Vector] as renamed to include various modes of bonding and contact with aspects of reality also found to be asserting in  this [d] and [m] articulation with Szondi Test's interpretive importance.)  A double "open" (we theorise to be)an foreground absence of all the the core strivings of entire  C Vector,  Here the Cyclic/Contact/Polar which is build from the natural antagonists of depressives and manics. . A double open finding not so common in the other three Vectors,  it is where the subject avoids BOTH the liking or disliking choices (asumed to be unconsciously made action) as he takes the Szondi Test in the proper sequence. (In your editor's limited experience, this "setting" [d=0][m=0] seemed to be the frequent one of young adults entering into relationships without being ready for separation from their families of orign and same time not really ready to bond sincerely with the new significant person  and same time sexual and ego strivings that may be over active. [look to the[ Sexual Vector]. [Paroxysmal Vecto[r and   Ego Vector] for other settings representing what then is ] probably dominating the both thinking and behaviour at that moment in time. This will get clearer as to significance as we move through the sequence.

Comment: I was introduced to this experimental method by my  (circa 1951-2) professor, who said you just have to see this for yourself. Well seeing it for myself I did, and while now I cop out of any claim of scientific proof. I tell you the same thing. In the setting [d=0][m=0] (It can also writen as "C=00" leaving out the 'understood' {d}{m}) as making it a sort of jargon thing you will soon master. Szondi teaches us that subjects being SZONDI Test, procedure is done by his like and dislike choice making of the 48 SZ reagent photos. Therefore the choices the subject has performed an act that can only be explained on a theoretical subconscious  projection basis, the results of which then reflects projectivly his drives, inclinatons and needs (when correctly understood the related strvings asserting, at the time of the test sample was made. This the total system is also a drive psychology.    The results are said to be made by a subconscious filtering not by chance. Also these setting detected will change paralleled to subjects inner strivings, in respect to their strength and how they are being satisfied. Therefor multiple samplings, usually a series of ten testings of a person needs to be produced before jumping to making anything more than tentative interpretations.. It needs to be remembered that a "setting" reflects the moment repeat samples are

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Index Updated 2-20-12 3-30 pm Neglected for now as the Cyclic Bipolar Vector is the focus for now. 4-28-12 last edit. Study group http://theszonditest01-chirobut.blogspot.com/ The Basic Conflict-Cause of Neurosishttp://chirobut30.blogspot.com/ The constraints of the Szondi Test permits filter... http://theszonditest01-chirobut.blogspot.com/2012/02/some-miscellaneous-szondi-concepts-post.html HYPNODOC'S VIRTUAL ONLINE HYPNOSIS http://hypnodoconlineoffice01.blogspot.com/ Dreameryv2 Guest Dream Provider and Self-Analyst. http://dreameryv2-forrest.blogspot.com/ Mountain Software Writer The Mind as Software.  ·   http://mountainsoftwarewriter01.blogspot.com/2010/05/e-mail-from-mountain-software-writermay.html The Ego Stages as reflected in the Szondi Test. [2011 Study offering.] http://theszonditest01-chirobut.blogspot.com/2009/08/ego-stages-as-reflected-in-szondi-test.html

DSM IV treats Bipolar as if a disease. But still recognizing that it is connected to the articulation of manic and depressive mood  swings and behaviors. Where Szondi saw the same aspects as part of heredity we all as humans without exception contains, and the impuses of which drive everyone where it impacts our contact with the world, relationships and the reality one lives in. ;CYCLIC/POLAR/CONTACT VECTOR Offered a different view than DSM-IV.  Szondi follows the terms in use a generation earlier . --more later.

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The Ego Stages as reflected in the Szondi Test.

The Ego Stages as reflected in the Szondi Test. "The Ego is your steering device."

The Unfolding of the Ego.

Normally, Ego development takes place according to a detailed six stage schema as proposed by Susan Deri, "Introduction to the Szondi Test" [Grune & Strattion, N.Y. 1949. Her order is followed here, but the characterizations are arbitrarily revised into capsulations, for our study purposes. French Edition is currently in print. (Louvain University Press.)

1. (k0 p-)

Adualism: The indistinction between the ego and the other (up to one year). [See J. Paiget ] [In the adult it is called the 'paranoid Ego' and an indication of a regressive thought mode.

2. (k+ p-)

Childish Omnipotence: The magical-autistical omnipotence (pre-oedipian period). [See Melanne Kline's, not so benign view of infancy.] [See, J. Lancan," Mirror Phase"]

3. (± -)

Beginning accomidation, turbulence, resistance. (First Oedipian Separations) [See Winnicot ] [See Toilet Training, Early Care Takers.] [The "Restless Ego" of many talented Adults.]

4. (- -)

Acceptance, accomidation (The pressure to conform and the social rewards, the latency period. [The Drill Ego of Adults-Suggesting that many never fully go beyond this mode of Ego development.]

5. (- 0)
If acceptance and accomidation is successful, the start of adolescence the young person may then try to replicate that which was accepted earler ['The Mild Compulsive Ego' when found in profiles, one or two decades later. ]

6. (- +)

Adolescence. Mating impluse asserts on several levels and the desire previously repressed reaches consciousness backed by the newly aquired physical ability to do so. That this will meet with many set backs and frustrations, a well known feature of passing through adolesence. For many it will be the first serious Ego failure and the overwhelmed Ego may move to a kind of grid lock crises [k± p±] or what seems like a tuning off of thinking and feeling [k0 p0], or some will move back to older Ego settings with which they feel more secure however childish it may seem. Many show an appearance of [k+] and as well an awareness of depression [d+] as they restart a new search for fulfillment. In adults it is the 'Fully compulsive Ego'.

Comment.

For us as students of human nature, we ask what is it beyond this theoretical passage of the Ego that will address our desire to understand the larger issues and concerns in respect to ultimate behavior? What can we by this Szondi Test that offers insight in those humans who develop atypical or outright abnormal forms of existance?

The best answer I can offer now is, we can recast almost everything you previously believed to be psychologically caused, in the Szondi coding system, but our new metaphors also leave many who's and why's awaiting answer. The metaphors of the settings, and the strivings and what they represent are crafted from the unconscious choices by tested persons. This is done without extracting a verbal inventory, in fact you need not even speak the language of the tested subject, as long is he follows the choice procedure correctly.

Szondi - Life Magazine Interview.

Szondi believed there are eight gene passed hereditary ancestor lines that carry all the drives, strivings, vicissitudes of human behavior and that a person will like, dislike or avoid images of these ancestor types as a projection of the relative strength of these "drives", which shift as a person changes his various inclinations. (c) Life Magazine He has the book open to the Test Manual Charts of the Four Basic Vectors. 1] Sexual/Gender [h][s] 2] Paroxysmal/Cain-Abel [e][hy] 3] Sch / Ego [k][p] 4] Contact/Cyclic [d][m]

Durring a Life magazine interview in 1948 a pipe smoking Leopold Szondi in his Geneva Clinic, spreads out the 48 small pictures of the eight  psychiatric conditions that he believed made up the third pool of th unconscious. These he claimed, are eight basic inheritance lines that every person without exception has. Normal then, being just a balanced mixture of these. He argued a person will like or dislike these photos as a mirror of that person's personality and mood. Which may change. Therefore a person needs to take the 'test' often. He sometimes took a profile just before each "Fate-Analytic" oriented therapy session. His method of psychoanalysis used these assertins as a focus. This was supplemented by a genealogy study to reveal what the patient's ancestors; actual did and what symptoms these ancestors may have suffered and importantly; what choices they had made in marriage, love, friendship, and occupation. While the test gained considerable popularity  his method of treatment won few supporters.

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